AB-043

Jewish Y-DNA branch AB-043

Introduction

More detailed info can be found on http://tree.j2-m172.info/ (look for Z515).

This group has members in the classic Eastern-European Ashkenazi group. No descendants are found in the western part (Dutch, German). Two people have probably an older shared ancestry: (169447) Davit Davitian from the Armenian ftdna page and 284512 from Campania (Southern Italy). In the period before the strong growth of the Ashkenazi people, exchange of Jewish people in the area of southern Italy and Armenia was common. Many of the Ashkenazi founding fathers probably came from the middle east, sometimes passing Italy.

Possible migration routes:

Good options:
- Armenia->Italy and Armenia->Ashkenazi countries (e.g. passing the Crimea)
- Armenia->Italy->Ashkenazi countries
- Italy->Ashkenazi countries and Italy->Armenia
less likely:
- Ashkenazi coutries->Italy and or Armenia
- Italy->Armenia->Ashkenazi counties

Next generation tests (Big-Y from ftdna or Elite 2.0 from fullgenomes.com can might answer this question). The distance between the three lines (Ashkenazi, Italian, Armenian) are so large that the calculated STR distances (about 1500ybp) should be considered underestimates.

This branch is in the J2a-group of Jewish Branches.
This branch is a member of the Ashkenazi branches
This branch has some matches that might be related after the start of Judaism. Possible related are AB-584 (based on STRs).

STR and SNP characteristics

group

Name

Ancestor

Country

SNP

D
Y
S
3
9
3

D
Y
S
3
9
0

D
Y
S
1
9

D
Y
S
3
9
1

D
Y
S
3
8
5

D
Y
S
4
2
6

D
Y
S
3
8
8

D
Y
S
4
3
9

D
Y
S
3
8
9
i

D
Y
S
3
9
2

D
Y
S
3
8
9
i
i

D
Y
S
4
5
8

D
Y
S
4
5
9

D
Y
S
4
5
5

D
Y
S
4
5
4

D
Y
S
4
4
7

D
Y
S
4
3
7

D
Y
S
4
4
8

D
Y
S
4
4
9

D
Y
S
4
6
4

D
Y
S
4
6
0

Y
-
G
A
T
A
-
H
4

Y
C
A
I
I

D
Y
S
4
5
6

D
Y
S
6
0
7

D
Y
S
5
7
6

D
Y
S
5
7
0

C
D
Y

D
Y
S
4
4
2

D
Y
S
4
3
8

D
Y
S
5
3
1

D
Y
S
5
7
8

D
Y
F
3
9
5
S
1

D
Y
S
5
9
0

D
Y
S
5
3
7

D
Y
S
6
4
1

D
Y
S
4
7
2

D
Y
F
4
0
6
S
1

D
Y
S
5
1
1

D
Y
S
4
2
5

D
Y
S
4
1
3

D
Y
S
5
5
7

D
Y
S
5
9
4

D
Y
S
4
3
6

D
Y
S
4
9
0

D
Y
S
5
3
4

D
Y
S
4
5
0

D
Y
S
4
4
4

D
Y
S
4
8
1

D
Y
S
5
2
0

D
Y
S
4
4
6

D
Y
S
6
1
7

D
Y
S
5
6
8

D
Y
S
4
8
7

D
Y
S
5
7
2

D
Y
S
6
4
0

D
Y
S
4
9
2

D
Y
S
5
6
5

D
Y
S
7
1
0

D
Y
S
4
8
5

D
Y
S
6
3
2

D
Y
S
4
9
5

D
Y
S
5
4
0

D
Y
S
7
1
4

D
Y
S
7
1
6

D
Y
S
7
1
7

D
Y
S
5
0
5

D
Y
S
5
5
6

D
Y
S
5
4
9

D
Y
S
5
8
9

D
Y
S
5
2
2

D
Y
S
4
9
4

D
Y
S
5
3
3

D
Y
S
6
3
6

D
Y
S
5
7
5

D
Y
S
6
3
8

D
Y
S
4
6
2

D
Y
S
4
5
2

D
Y
S
4
4
5

Y
-
G
A
T
A
-
A
1
0

D
Y
S
4
6
3

D
Y
S
4
4
1

Y
-
G
G
A
A
T
-
1
B
0
7

D
Y
S
5
2
5

D
Y
S
7
1
2

D
Y
S
5
9
3

D
Y
S
6
5
0

D
Y
S
5
3
2

D
Y
S
7
1
5

D
Y
S
5
0
4

D
Y
S
5
1
3

D
Y
S
5
6
1

D
Y
S
5
5
2

D
Y
S
7
2
6

D
Y
S
6
3
5

D
Y
S
5
8
7

D
Y
S
6
4
3

D
Y
S
4
9
7

D
Y
S
5
1
0

D
Y
S
4
3
4

D
Y
S
4
6
1

D
Y
S
4
3
5

AB-043

J2a-M92-Z515

14-14

9-9

12-13-15-15

19-22

34-38

15-15

17-17

List of SNPs in yfull tree:Home - A0-T - A1 - A1b - BT - CT - CF - F - GHIJK - HIJK - IJK - IJ - J - J2 - M410 - PF4610 - L26 - PF5087 - PF5116 - PF5119 - CTS4800 - L558 - M67 - Z1847 - Z500 - M92 - Z508 - Z504 - PF7412 - Z515 - Z6254 - Y18411 - Y20196 - Y85914 - FGC75679

STR data collection of AB-043

Ages of the branch

figure caption 1

Size of the branch

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Data references

The following kitnr's are recognized in this group:
44QX8 N63984 129343 L-VJBP4 L-ABPVC L-QUSNX N62996 93154 N50828 119606 157250 N69190 193203 223281 146321

Kits with nearby 67-markers are found in semargl.me

Kits with nearby markers are found in familytreedna projects

Check for yourself by inspecting the data that was used.